JG: I will always argue what I’m looking for is to change the soil organic carbon stocks, rather than just say it’s all to do with sequestration. And I make that differentiation – what we saw in Hillsborough, what we continue to see in Hillsborough, yes, there’s carbon sequestration there, but there is also the biological activity of earthworms pulling down the residual organic matter that is in the cattle slurry and using it to build up the soil organic carbon stocks.
I concluded in that project it is very clear that you can shift the soil organic carbon stocks by changing your management. So when people say to me you can’t do it, and I said, how do you argue against this data then? What’s the bit of this data, that you’re finding wrong?
That’s why the Hillsborough site in County Down is quite unique because what it is measuring is the consequences of changing land management rather than land use.
The third thing I will argue is the project that my own farm did this year with Wageningen is looking at the long-term consequences of land use change – and it’s that silvopasture came out way on top of everything else.
A: Now that you mentioned earthworms, something popped into my mind. Have you ever done any testing of how much of the saprotrophic or saprophytic bacteria you have in the soil? Saprotrophic organisms are the ones that break down organic matter to base compounds – from plant material to animal and human remains.
JG: We didn’t go as far as what you asked. We did a project on my own farm this year, where we looked at total bacterial counts, total fungi counts, and their ratio, and how that changed depending on land use. We also measured soil respiration rates and we also measured earthworm counts. So those were the three main biological indicators we did alongside soil organic carbon stocks and then soil pH.
When it came to soil respiration, earthworm population and bacterial and fungi communities and their ratios, there was one clear impact, a winner. And that was anywhere where we had big animal agriculture, grazing animals, defecating on the soil and inoculating the soil. And what was really disappointing to see is under our woodlands our soil biology was very poor and that’s because modern landscape management excludes animals from being on it.
If you look at ancient woodlands, you had animals browsing through woodlands, defecating and inoculating, so now woodlands are not getting the same bacterial and fungi inoculant. And the other thing that’s happening, which is being exasperated by our ever more extreme rainfall, is our soil pH is collapsing under trees, and your bacterial and fungi communities are totally pH sensitive.
And if we really want a vibrant soil under our woodlands or forests, we need to think about integrating livestock back into them again. And we also need to think about how we correct soil pH on mineral soils.
A: At the end you’ve taken all the farms through Agrecalc again, and the results showed a reduction in emissions. But you took only five out of seven.
JG: Two things were of issue there. Patrick [Casement; member of the Management Group] – his farm went through Agrecalc only in 2023, because in 2021 he was ill, and we couldn’t get a baseline then.
My problem is a personal one, as I build my business on Renewable Heat Incentive that existed in Northern Ireland until eight years ago. There was a scandal in NI, called Cash for Ash, and people’s incentive contracts were terminated without negotiation.
I grew willow coppice for the renewable heat business, and we wanted to start exploring grazing on willow trees. What I want to do is create a living lab experiment of introducing 60 dairy cows into a willow and multispecies swards silvopasture to see can I create a carbon net zero dairy farm, using biological solutions.
ArcZero was an EIP operational group. It was set up to get behavioural change, rather than get peer reviewed published papers out of it. The premise was ‘I need to change my behaviour because I won’t be in business shortly so we’re trying to see what is the best route for me to go’.